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Women in Cybersecurity, and Support for Cybersecurity Entrepreneurship in Asia

More women are needed in cybersecurity, but where are the opportunities? To celebrate International Women's Day, we are honored to have Linda Schindler, Programme Head at ICE71, the region's first cybersecurity entrepreneur hub, join us on the Ask A CISO podcast.

We celebrate International Women's Day with our first female guest on the show - Linda Nguyen Schindler, Program Head at Innovation Cybersecurity Ecosystem (ICE71).

More women are needed in cybersecurity, but where are the opportunities, and what factors will attract more women to join the cybersecurity industry? In this special episode of the Ask A CISO podcast, Linda shares her insights into where opportunities are for women keen to join the cybersecurity industry, and what more can be done to attract women to join the industry.

Tune in to this episode of Ask A CISO to hear:

  • How she made the switch from law to cybersecurity
  • The three different programs at ICE71, and how ICE71 supports budding cybersecurity entrepreneurs from Singapore and the Asian region
  • What she thinks of the entrepreneurial ecosystem here and how the government and end-users can help startups succeed
  • How some of your skills can be useful in your transition to a career in cybersecurity
  • What cybersecurity companies need to be solving for end-users in order to attract investments

About The Guest: Linda Nguyen Schindler

Linda Nguyen Schindler is the Program Head at Innovation Cybersecurity Ecosystem, ICE71, the region's first cybersecurity entrepreneur hub.

Linda was previously a lawyer in Silicon Valley. Today, as head of ICE71, she leverages her diverse background as a connector to advocate and empower startups, entrepreneurs, nonprofit organizations, and local communities to create value, connect, and grow.

Linda has served on the board of the American Women's Association of Singapore is a member of the Women Corporate Directors and volunteers with Junior Achievement Singapore to inspire and prepare today's youth to succeed in the global economy.

About The Host: Paul Hadjy

Paul Hadjy is co-founder and CEO of Horangi Cyber Security. 

Paul leads a team of cybersecurity specialists who create software to solve challenging cybersecurity problems. Horangi brings world-class solutions to provide clients in the Asian market with the right, actionable data to make critical cybersecurity decisions.

Prior to Horangi, Paul worked at Palantir Technologies, where he was instrumental in expanding Palantir’s footprint in the Asia Pacific. 

He worked across Singapore, Korea, and New Zealand to build Palantir's business in both the commercial and government space and grow its regional teams. 

He has over a decade of experience and expertise in Anti-Money Laundering, Insider Threats, Cyber Security, Government, and Commercial Banking. 



Good afternoon, everyone, I'm Paul Hadjy, the host of Ask A CISO podcast. Today, we have our esteemed guest Linda Nguyen Schindler and she's the Program Head at Innovation Cybersecurity Ecosystem, ICE71, the region's first cybersecurity entrepreneur hub.

Linda was previously a lawyer in Silicon Valley. Today, as head of ICE71, she leverages her diverse background as a connector to advocate and empower startups, entrepreneurs, nonprofit organizations, and local communities to create value, connect, and grow.

Linda has served on the board of the American Women's Association of Singapore is a member of the Women Corporate Directors and volunteers with Junior Achievement Singapore to inspire and prepare today's youth to succeed in the global economy.

We have previously worked with Linda where she was a presenter at the launch of our REA&H offering, a first-of-its-kind joint service offered by Amazon Web Services and Horangi which helps organizations build a robust cloud security program to spur innovation and accelerate growth.

Welcome, Linda, what did I miss?


You got it all, I think, maybe even more than enough.


It's awesome. It's been a while I mean the last time we met was at the American Club over a couple of beers which was quite fun.

What have you been up to since we last met?


Ah, gosh, well, I mean yesterday we had our first in-person event in two years so it was really exciting.

We organized an event with the Cybersecurity Agency of Singapore where we brought together security leaders - CISOs, CIOs, CTOs, and investors in cybersecurity so that they can connect, learn from each other, and see how they can contribute to growing this ecosystem.


Awesome, and what was some of the exciting outcomes that came from that? Any cool companies or future offerings we should be on the look out for?


Yeah, well, I mean this was more like the other side so there's not like there weren't, you know, startups were not invited so that's why we didn't invite you, but it was more like how can we discuss with the folks on the other side of the table to help startups like you, right?

How security leaders as end users to you know, work with startups, purchase their solutions, not just go with IBM and then on the other side of the investors, how can we encourage more investment in Singapore, right?

I mean, we see obviously Singapore has lots of investor money, but in cybersecurity, we're not seeing as much of that lead investor money as we would like, so we were just trying to have both sides better understand each other so that they can potentially work towards building up this ecosystem and investing in more startups here in Singapore.


Yeah, that's awesome and definitely, you know, highly encourage that and yeah, I think it's good that you're trying to build a community around that because that is a problem that needs to be solved, I think, for the ecosystem especially in the cybersecurity space so kudos to you on that.

Yeah, and the one thing you said that I learned at Palantir back in the early days was no one ever gets fired for hiring IBM which I think is very good for IBM, not so good for the people trying to break in.

But I think, over time, that's changed a bit but, you know, it's still a difficult hurdle for a lot of startups to get over and something that will you know challenge them until they're in the Magic Quadrant.

Yeah, so you were a lawyer in Silicon Valley, and I guess are still a lawyer, but what motivated you to make the switch from law to tech, and are there any similarities between the two?


Yeah, so I mean, definitely, I'm still a lawyer. I'll always be a lawyer. You never take those years of education away from me that I invested in this but, yeah, so you know I went from being a lawyer in Silicon Valley to coming to Singapore and joining a legal tech startup, and I just got introduced to this whole startup ecosystem in Singapore which was so vibrant, and it was really exciting - all of the things that were going on, and so from there I just saw, like, as you know, the digital economy was exploding even before the pandemic, right, that cybersecurity was hot industry.

And so when the opportunity came about for me to join and really focus on ecosystem building, partnerships, I jumped at the chance, you know, and what's interesting, and you had asked what are the similarities. I would say that law and cyber are like each other in two ways:

  1. that it touches everybody's lives now and
  2. people don't think about it until it's too late

So I find very similar, you know, conversations in terms of education or, you know, how do you plan ahead of time and not wait until you actually get hit with a lawsuit or hit with a cyber attack.

But of course that never happens and so really we're talking like what do you do like post-event and what can you move forward so in a lot of ways it's similar and another interesting thing is because it touches upon everybody now that really like my network carried over. Everyone that I was talking to before, I still talk to now and have added to that.

Because cybersecurity is the horizontal that cuts across all verticals, we are able to work with people from all different industries and so for me that that's really a benefit of the job.


That makes a lot of sense. I think, you know, legal is analogous to cyber in many ways. The main one being the one you mentioned which is no one really thinks about it too much until something bad happens to them, kind of like insurance as well, and 100 percent I think that's starting to change and people have enough bad experience or watch other people have bad experiences which you know kind of changes the sort of approach but still plenty of companies out there that are reactive, which is unfortunate, but I mean eventually they'll change and this is a time thing in my view.

I guess like what was it sort of hard to make that switch like what was the hardest thing, I guess, for you in making that switch? It sounds like network was great, problem set similar, but ... ?


I think the thing that really helped me out is that we have such a strong network at ICE71. Our founders are NUS, right, the National University of Singapore, one of the leading universities in the region, in the world. Singtel Innov8, one of the leading VCs, and so when I joined I didn't have to necessarily start fresh. We already have such strong connections through our founders, and that credibility is already there, so what was exciting for me was that we could just hit the ground running and really just start to figure out like, hey how can we make these connections?

How can we make this ecosystem part of a large, you know, believe that they're part of a larger thing so that the people can work together and really open the doors for all of these collaborations to happen.


Yeah, for sure. I mean ICE71 is great, and I think you specifically have done quite a lot of great things there. I'm looking forward to seeing many more. Excited about what you mentioned previously.

I think that that's a good problem to be focused on solving also so it's great but yeah, for you, like, you know, obviously it was kind of like a mid-career switch and really even change tracks in many ways, and that I think is a struggle for anyone Horangi's been part of like sort of the mid-career transition for some employees who have come from different industries who want to get into cyber, but how was that experience for you and what advice would you give to other people that are considering a career switch in the early or middle of their career?


Yeah, so I think like this switch when I was already in legal tech to cyber was easy.

I think the more difficult switch was when I took a break when I had my kids and then to come back as a return-to-work mom. I think that was really difficult and so you know for me, you know, I did it through ... like holistically, I guess, you can say.

Like so I did it the old fashioned way - went to events, met people, shook their hands, when you could still do that pre-COVID, you know, and just really actually let my curiosity kind of lead the way, like what kinds of things were interesting to me, I would go to those kinds of events so that I can meet the experts in that field, and people here are so nice, I think, in the startup ecosystem, you know, like so they're willing to share, willing to help out, willing to connect, and so, I think, in that way, it made it easier, but still, you know, how do you find those people ...

So I think LinkedIn was, I mean I don't work for Microsoft or anything, but that was obviously like another great platform if you're looking to make a change and connect with people. It's a way for you to easily kind of search for the areas that you're interested in and then also when you go to an event and you're like, oh my gosh, I met that person but I don't know how to reach out to them. I didn't get their email and so LinkedIn was a great way to kind of source for the right people.

But really, it was tough, I'm not gonna lie, but I think for cybersecurity, the benefit is that there's a shortage, you know, and so what happens is that there are many roles that don't require existing cybersecurity training, whatever that means, that ...

What I've seen a lot of companies do is that they actually look for the capacity to learn, the desire to learn, and then they work from there, and that they're willing to train so I think for folks looking to break into cyber, there are a lot of opportunities that I've seen people looking at non-traditional backgrounds to open it up as well as there are lots of roles in cybersecurity that's not just technical.

There are a lot of non-technical roles - sales, marketing, PR, and so you know, those are also great ways to break into tech without a tech background.

And then, of course, I have to always plug the Singapore government, right, like they're so proactive at facilitating, and so in this instance, they have programs like Workforce Singapore and what not.

They have grants available that people can upskill, you know, SkillsFuture, programs that they can upskill, and then they can connect with employers who ... the government will fund a good portion of the salary, so a lot of good ways to break into cyber security and I think now is the best time.


Yeah, definitely, I agree, like, you know, Singapore government does do a great job in that we have utilized pretty much everything that you mentioned as well, and you got a lot of great talent out of those programs as well whether we did, I think both college graduate, but also the mid-career as well, and you know, have some great employees that came from that program and stuck with us after the program as well, so it's been awesome for us also.

So we touched a little bit on ICE71. You kind of explained what it is but it's actually made up of three major programs, so there's like Inspire, Scale, and Community. Maybe you can explain a bit more about each and what are the benefits for potential people that are interested?


Yeah, so like I said, ICE71 stands for Innovation Cybersecurity Ecosystem at Block 71, so we're part of that Block 71 family where it's like the startup hub and you know ... so what I think we're looking at is to be that hub not only for the region but globally, right. There are three other globally recognized hubs.

You have U.S., UK, Israel, and so I think Singapore is well placed to be that fourth hub globally and that leader in the region for cybersecurity, so then ICE71 was founded in 2018, and really, I think we're looking at three pillars that we focus on we believe that will really help the ecosystem.

So the first pillar is talent pipeline, so that's ICE71 Inspire program where we help aspiring cybersecurity entrepreneurs, like you were way back then, potentially, right, and people who are looking into it, but don't know, you know, how to take the next steps in their journey.

So we have boot camp programs we have programs where you can connect with mentors, connect with folks who have gone down that road, and they share their stories, and you can share your ideas, and our mentors will talk to you about maybe the product-market fit and things like that to really get a sense of whether or not this is a journey you're ready to go down.

And so we work definitely a lot with the Cybersecurity Agency of Singapore on these talent pipeline initiatives. The second pillar that we focus on is innovation and startups, so that's our ICE71 Scale program where we take applicants from startups all over the world, and once they get accepted into our program they, you know, have lots of benefits. So number one they immediately get office space, landing pad, in Singapore so that they can tap into Singapore and the networks that we have here immediately.

So that is actually the greater benefit aside from the office space. It's the networks, the connections that we're able to provide, and then we provide an onboarding program where, you know, we give access to our mentors, we organize startup demo days, startup showcases. We get access to conferences and events and connections with corporates and investors that were able to provide all of these benefits for startups who are looking to grow and scale into the region because obviously Singapore is very small, so no one really ever just looks at Singapore when they start here.

They're looking with eyes towards the region. So we're able to help make those connections there. And then the last pillar we're looking at is really ICE71 Community that kind of brings everything together, where we connect the entire spectrum from students to startups, investors corporates, government agencies, universities, we bring all of the segments together so that they can learn from each other, but, like, I talked about that event earlier. We also are looking at segment-specific events and connections as well, so we'll do events only for CISOs and security leaders or only for investors so that they can really have a strong community to share because we all know the hackers are sharing information now so I think that's important that we create a strong community to help facilitate and grow the ecosystem as well. So, yeah, those are the three kinds of areas that we focus on at ICE71.


Awesome, awesome, and what's kind of like your most memorable success story from that? Happy to keep it anonymous if you ...


I mean most ... success story in what sense?


Could be company, could be, like, project, could be event. Yeah, the one thing that comes top of mind when I say that, I guess?


Yeah, I don't know, so I mean, I think, uh, I mean, top of mind, I just think of one of our companies had been trying to connect with a government agency on an initiative, but couldn't figure out a way how, and then that agency happened to contact us and say, hey we have this grant that's been in existence for a few years and we haven't been able to hand it out to anybody, you know, because no one has met the criteria. Do you have somebody?

And I was like, oh my gosh, like, it really felt like everything was coming together, like how, you know, like, amazingly, like, this all came together. And so it's moments like that I think, get me really excited to be in this role and to be in this ecosystem where we're, like, oh my gosh, like, because we're out there, because, you know, we know the people and the networks and we're on the ground with the startups, it was able to come together where we were able to help and so I really loved that moment when I was able to make a difference.


Yeah, I mean that's awesome, and definitely, I'm sure that was a good feeling and when things just work, especially because, you know, there's a lot of moving parts in what you just described as well.

I'm sure that's great and a good success story too as well for whichever government agency and the company, I'm sure.

So there's lots of challenges in being a cybersecurity entrepreneur. I know that from personal experience, of course. What do you think are some challenges that are specific to the region, and what else can companies do to help with growth in this region which I think you've touched on a bit before, but curious to hear more.


Yeah, I think one of the big challenges that I touched on before is the investments right into cybersecurity companies here. I think Singapore has no lack of investor money, but there is a real lack of lead investor money when it comes to cybersecurity startups.

We see investments in cybersecurity but we see them going to companies in countries like Israel and the U.S., and so we know that there's interest in cyber here, but how do we create that sense of, gosh this is where it's at! Here! Like you're based here. You should be investing in the companies here, and there still is, seems to be this idea that Singapore is still nascent yet, that the ecosystem is still growing, and I mean, in many sense that's true.

However, I think there are a lot of companies here that have solutions that have the capability to grow and scale and especially know this region better, right? I think for a lot of ... in a lot of ways you can't just plug and play, and expect it to work. I mean we saw that I mean, I think with Uber, right?

I thought once Uber came into market, I was, like, that's it, game over, right? They're gonna take over and that did not end up being the case. So I mean ... I see in that kind of example, it's like, see this is the benefit of being in this region and selling in this region is that you understand more that go-to-market, so I think investor ... investment in cybersecurity is definitely difficult and you know I think it's really hard to get the corporate end-users to, like I said, not buy IBM. How do you get them to trust in the cybersecurity solutions coming out from startups, and feel like they have the confidence to do that, and not just stick with you know tried and, you know, true companies that their board recognizes, and so that they're not gonna, you know, get in trouble for that, right?

So how do you kind of overcome that and so I think in a lot of ways we're working with the Cybersecurity Agency of Singapore to break down those kinds of walls, and ... like right now we're working with CSA on their industry Call for Innovation and ... so how do we facilitate the relationship between the corporate end-users and the startups and when CSA gets involved then maybe they'll feel a bit more comfortable saying, look, like you know, CSA is involved so maybe this is a higher likelihood that they vetted them they're not going to close up shop in 24 hours and I'm never going to be able to find them again.

It's things like that that we're hoping will make an impact later on.


Yeah, definitely, I think those are good initiatives. I mean they're obviously going to take time, but definitely in a couple of years hopefully, we're seeing successful products companies being built out of that, so that's awesome.

I'm gonna switch topics a bit. Talking about women in cybersecurity. I want to welcome you as the first female guest we've actually had on Ask A CISO. This is the seventh episode so ...


Oh wow, Okay, what an honor!


But yeah, obviously you know there isn't as many women as there probably should be in the cybersecurity workforce do you think that's gonna change?


I feel like it has to change! There's not enough and so ... there's not enough people in cyber in general, so I think ... Look, this isn't a problem unique to cyber.

Women in tech, it's an issue all the way leading back to girls in STEM and STEAM from primary school and after and so I think in that sense it makes sense that there is an issue here because it's been an issue even for the larger segment of the tech community.

Now, I think that there are exciting opportunities for women in cyber because, like I said, number one, they already need more folks and so companies are going to have to get more creative and how they reach out to women whether it be reaching out earlier to women in their educational career or mid-career professionals, return to work moms, people who have, you know, shown that they do have the qualifications in perhaps another field but that actually you know, what they have, the qualifications that they have shown a willingness and an openness to learning.

For example, I talked to a company and they were trying to get more cyber folks in their team so they're trying to do it internally and they try to go to their IT team thinking, okay, that makes them, maybe it makes the most sense. We'll try to get our cyber folks from the IT team and actually, they found that the success rate was very low from the IT folks because of the training and the mindset that's required is a bit different, but what was interesting is that when they look to their legally trained folks there was a much more synergy there because they were saying that, oh you know, it's because when you're ... for the legally trained folks, they're already trained to investigate, research, critically think, question, and so these were all things that were great for cyber, so you know, in that sense I think that there are a lot of opportunities upcoming.

We do have a lot more work to do but you know we're trying to work on more initiatives as well to facilitate that pipeline. CSA also has the SG Cyber Women that they're also working on, and we're working on it with them, so hopefully, as you know, we move forward and we have to cast a wider net and in that sense, there will be a lot more opportunities for women to be able to join cybersecurity.


Yeah, for sure, and I think you know Horangi is almost 40 percent women so I think we're doing in that space could always be better, of course, but doing well.

But, yeah, definitely I've seen a lot more recently applying to roles and things like that which is great, and look forward to continuing to see that into the future.

What do you think are some of the factors that's going to encourage more women to be involved in cyber?


Yeah, I mean I think again a lot of it has to do with what's happening in early education once I think you know, STEAM STEM I think there's a more openness to introducing that to girls early on and not directing them over to the English, you know, and social sciences and things like that. I think that will be helpful.

And I think ... I mean a lot of the skill sets that are required in cyber I think women who are leading and who are active in their industries as they look to kind of reskill, right? Everyone has to now think about reskilling and learning all of the time. You can't just like be comfortable and what you know, because what you know yesterday is gonna be obsolete right?

So what I think is interesting is as there's opportunities to reskill and learn and cyber is still nascent yet, right? So you know I think there's so many opportunities in that sense that will open the door for more women to come in


Yeah, I agree and the good thing about cybersecurity and tech in general is it's always changing so if you're someone who gets bored easily it's like the perfect industry because like, you know if you don't learn anything for three months you're pretty much like out of a job, right?

So it's an exciting career to be in because of that aspect but it does make it difficult as well which you know a challenge it's fun for many people so ... but looking forward to seeing more and more women in cyber.

So let's talk a bit about a passion of yours: teaching entrepreneurial skills to primary and secondary school students here in Singapore. What are some of the entrepreneurial skills that you're kind of teaching them and why do you think that's important for success?


So I've been volunteering with Junior Achievement for a number of years because what we see is it's not only important what you're learning in the books, but how do you actually translate that into your work life, and so at Junior Achievement they're teaching things like if you're gonna open a restaurant, what would you sell what would you call it, how would you differentiate yourself from your competitors, and things like that to help them kind of use what they've learned and think outside the box and apply it in that way.

So I think it really engages the kids. I find their eyes like light up when they're talking about this because they don't realize about the concepts that they're applying, right. They think it's fun and so in that way, they're able to open their minds to different ways of thinking and different opportunities are out there not just only being a lawyer and a doctor, which of course I became a lawyer but you know ...


But you switched!


Yes, yes, yes, but you know provide me a good foundation so that's we have to remind the kids, right? All this learning provides a good foundation for the future.

So, yeah, and Junior Achievement, it's a U.S.-based nonprofit. I mean they're even going beyond now to ... I was helping to teach a class on AI and coding, so we're trying to get the kids early on to be exposed to these concepts so that it's not so foreign to them and intimidating, and so it's really cool because they're talking about machine learning, and they have the kids sort into the fishbowl what's a fish and what's not a fish.

So they're learning in basic terms like what it is so that later on they're gonna go whatever that is sounds complicated I don't want to get involved; actually, I'm like, oh machine learning, AI, I already know what that means. And then coding it's really cool because you know they're able to do lines of code and make different Disney characters move around the screen and so it becomes something that isn't intimidating like I said.

I think what's good about it is when they approach it, later on, it won't be something that they feel like, uh, I don't understand it. I'm not, I can't do it that. They have already been exposed to these concepts and so they'll be able to feel like they can do whatever they want to do moving forward and I think those are really positive things, especially in the world as we know it. It's constantly changing so they definitely need to be adaptable.


Yeah, for sure, and yeah, I mean that's how I learned Java back in the day it was moving, I think it was COREL, was like the Java one on one class but you had to like move them around the board and like send them in different directions which was like the introduction to coding so it sounds very similar, which is cool, and funny.

I learned that I think, in like my senior year of high school so this is a very different stage of learning.

Before we wrap up, what are some of your outlooks and predictions for 2022, in the future, in terms of cybersecurity entrepreneurial space?


Wow, that's a big question. Look, I think we're still in the middle of the pandemic, meaning we keep on thinking that you know maybe we're going to be in the office and we're working from home's not going to be a big thing anymore but what we're seeing is obviously that's not the case and even if we're out of the pandemic work from home is still going to be something that will probably stay and so I think you know for our companies out there, I think you know cloud security is going to be a big thing.

I think also we have to look at the companies themselves and the people who are in charge of protecting the companies, and how do we make it easier for them to do that because you know what I've seen is: gosh, now we have a million cyber security solutions for all of our CISOs and they're getting a million alerts every day, how do you know what's real, what's important, what I should prioritize.

And so I think that companies who can try to solve this for the CISOs I think will be able to do well because right now it's almost like, you know, in the times of search engines, you know, at first, it was like, oh great, a search engine but now you just come back with so many results so who's going to have that solution that's going to give me the result that's most pertinent to me. So I think that will be definitely something that's important, and I think the third thing I would say is you know, what are people looking at?

Will people ... an interesting dilemma will people look to more the sexier things like NFTs and like all this other stuff? Is that something that we're going to be looking at or is it back to basics? Is it ... you know what? How can ... that's nice, but how do you solve my real problems that still no one has solved yet? And even though it's boring but it's actually going to make an impact so that that will be something that's you know interesting as we keep on getting more technologically advanced in these hot sexy topics keep on coming out.

You know, where do solutions want to lie and where do people want to make their investments?


Yeah, for sure, and you mentioned some of the sort of reducing alerts. It's something we just launched. We just launched a UEBA solution inside of our product that basically helps companies use historical figures to reduce alert fatigue because it is a big problem in the space in general like you have so many alerts that you know then becomes kind of a situation where you're not paying attention to them because there's just too many.




I agree with you on that one.


Alright, well, good job! I think you'll do well then according to my predictions.


Very important stuff, very important!

Wrapping things up, any advice you'd like to leave with listeners about a career or starting a company in Singapore or anything really?


Yeah, I mean, I guess really general advice is that I think people nowadays you just have to be open to what happens next but in that sense, it's not to say that you shouldn't prepare, and in that preparation, it's good to see what's existing, to not reinvent the wheel whether it be government grants that help you to start a company.

Singapore has lots of government grants if you're a first-time founder and also if you're just a founder in general. And if you have other companies that are doing kind of relevant things to what you're doing maybe you don't need to reinvent the wheel and maybe you can partner with them and provide a suite of solutions that's more attractive to the customer.

So I think those would be really good things to look at.


Awesome, yeah, and great advice and definitely can speak to the fact that starting a company in Singapore is useful and there are plenty of grants I think for getting off your feet as well. Thanks again for coming on the podcast and look forward to hopefully seeing you again on the podcast soon!


Yeah, great! Thanks for having me.

Paul Hadjy
Paul Hadjy

Paul is a technology visionary working across the US, Middle East, Singapore, Korea, and New Zealand to build business in both the private and public sectors. Paul spent over 6 years at Palantir and was the Head of Information Security at Grab.

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